Cane Corso Forum
General => Introductions => Topic started by: staceface on February 22, 2011, 12:37:46 AM
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hey everybody,
i've had a cane before, and luckily am now living in a home that will allow for a dog again. i'm just having a hard time finding a breeder, the internet is not my friend. i've come across a couple of sites on line but have not been able to get thru to the breeder on them. if anyone knows of any breeders in bc or alberta i would love to hear from you!
thanks a lot,
s:)
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Hi S
There is a very good breeder in BC, just not sure what kinda of litter plans she has. The kennel name is Antiquity Cane Corso. There is a fb page showing some pics of her male.
I have no experience with the breeders in Alberta. I got my female from Colorado.
Hope this helps:D
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Hi again,
Here is the link to the Antiquity Cane Corso Page
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Antiquity-Cane-Corso/124506744285524
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Jolayne,
out of curiosity - do you have any experience with the breeder you are suggesting? Or based on what are you recommending this particular kennel? As you said, your dog is from Colorado, so you obviously chose to import to Canada...
I don't know Antiquity Cane Corso at all - heard the name before, but never had any dealings with, as such, cannot recommend one way or another.
Also, a face book page created on Sunday with 2 pictures on it and no information...
Staceface, I know a few breeders in Alberta, as when I was researching to get my dog, I started locally. I ended up importing from NY, but can share my knowledge about CC breeders in Alberta. PM me if you are interested in a particular breeder, and I can let you know if I met them and what my impression was...Just FYI, some of the people I train my dog with had rotties before, wanted/ looked into getting a CC and ended up getting another rottie pup, as they did not want to ship and could not find a dog that would fit their requirements locally. But people have different preferences / tastes, and it does not mean you cannot find a pup that will suit your needs / expectations in AB / BC :)
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Staceface you have a PM.
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Hi Staceface and welcome to the board from an eastern Canadian. Good luck on your search.
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Hi Staceface, welcome to the forum from Calgary.
There are a few good breeders in Western Canada. Lisa from Antiquity, mentioned above, has been involved in working/showing her Corso here for many many years, is not some flash in the pan breeder. Although, I have yet to meet her in person, she is a wealth of knowledge.
I have met and spoken with many local breeders and depending on what you are looking for and how long you want to wait, you can get a great dog locally.
Good luck with your search, and if you want you can pm me as well, although I am still relatively new to the breed I love to talk dog.
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Hello from Croatia!
Wish you luck with finding your new pet companion!
Sanja
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First I would like to thank everyone for their kind words.
Alla, this question is for you...
I am wondering why so judgmental about people referring me? How long have you been in the breed and how long did you research before getting your dog? If you state that you researched for a long time then you would have seen my old website, as I did have one up until October 2010. People can refer people based on knowledge alone. I am sure many breeders out there will say someone has good dogs or is a good person even if they have not purchased a dog from said person. Did someone refer you to your breeder? Did you meet this person or see any dogs from your breeder before purchasing? Did you speak to anyone that owned a dog from your breeder?
Knowledge is an amazing thing, and we will never have enough. One doesn’t need to breed umpteen amounts of litters or sell a lot of dogs to have knowledge or mean they are good. One can have a flashy website with bad dogs, or website with stolen photo’s of other peoples dogs, does this make them someone you should purchase from? In saying this I am not in anyway insinuating the breeder of your dog is one of these, I am just making a point to what you wrote.
I am glad you had a great experience with your breeder, and to speak about it is fantastic. There are many great breeders out there in the world that have some of the best dogs, some have websites while others not. I have been on the fence whether or not to put a website back up, when friends mentioned that I should at the very least make a FB page, I started one. If that is an issue for you or a reason to be judgmental please let me know why?
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I am wondering why so judgmental about people referring me?
Judgmental? Please start by at least attempting to read first.
I clearly stated that I “never had any dealings with (Antiquity), as such, cannot recommend one way or another.” To me, this sounds like a statement based on a fact, nothing more.
Do I need someone’s permission to ask questions on an open board? Is there something I am missing? Was I IN ANY WAY disrespectful or offensive to you?
After I asked Jolayne, I received a PM stating “I guess I know more than you.” That response I find incomplete and somewhat offensive…
I am sure many breeders out there will say someone has good dogs or is a good person even if they have not purchased a dog from said person.
I would recommend someone only if I had an extensive relationships / dealings with a person, but of course, I don’t expect everyone to have the same ethics…
I know Jolayne went the distance (literally) and imported her dog from Colorado, and did not drive to BC. So, I was interested to know based on what experience she provides her recommendations and why she chose a different breeder? I do not see where I was offensive or, as you state, judgmental. Even though I believe I am entitled to MY OWN opinions and MY OWN judgments, as well as I an entitled to voice my opinions and questions – last time I checked, free speech was still protected by Our constitution.
If you state that you researched for a long time then you would have seen my old website, as I did have one up until October 2010.
I DID see your website when I was researching, and I did not know it was taken down, as I simply had no interest in checking it out again. Since I believed there was a website, I found a link to a FB page that was created couple of days ago (instead of the actual website) rather amusing… My apologies – I was not aware that breeders were taking their websites down and replacing them with FB pages, but maybe I am not as “technologically advanced”.
How long have you been in the breed and how long did you research before getting your dog? People can refer people based on knowledge alone.
Did someone refer you to your breeder? Did you meet this person or see any dogs from your breeder before purchasing? Did you speak to anyone that owned a dog from your breeder?
Knowledge is an amazing thing, and we will never have enough. One doesn’t need to breed umpteen amounts of litters or sell a lot of dogs to have knowledge or mean they are good. One can have a flashy website with bad dogs, or website with stolen photo’s of other peoples dogs, does this make them someone you should purchase from? In saying this I am not in anyway insinuating the breeder of your dog is one of these, I am just making a point to what you wrote.
I am struggling to see how any of this is relevant or how you are making a point. As I said – a referral is an issue of ETHICS for me, since it reflects on me – nothing more.
All I see in your post is an attempt to turn my very simple question into a personal fight…I don’t believe I owe you or anyone else any explanations.
If you want to discuss my experience, relationship with my breeder or any other topics of interest, please send me an email. I would gladly converse with you, as long as we can stay civil and avoid personal insults, of course.
Please don’t respond on this forum as I am not going to waste any more of my time or make other people read this nonsense.
I WOULD LIKE TO SINCERELY APPOLOGISE TO EVERYONE WHO HAD TO READ THIS – WHAT I SAID WAS OBVIOUSLY TWISTED IN AN ATTEMPT TO START A PERSONAL FIGHT. I AM VERY SORRY UNRELATED PEOPLE HAD TO READ THIS.
Have a great evening,
Alla
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Alla, I am curious how much experience you have. How many years you are in the breed? How many breeders you have dealt with over the years? Just out of curiosity you asked Jolayne, but also to me it seemed judgmental about her recommending this kennel. Just out of curiosity I ask these questions to you now.
You really know a lot about ethics posting a pm in public :-\
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This thread started out as a person asking for some breeder recommendations, not where I got my dog and why I didn't get one from a breeder in Canada.
When I first started looking at getting a Corso 2 years ago I really wanted to buy one locally, in Canada. Antiquity was at the top of my list. Unfortunately at the time Lisa didn't have any puppies and was not sure when her next litter would be.
So there you have it ....
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Nancy,
With all do respect, I don’t understand how my experience in the breed is relevant to my question. Did I claim anywhere to have a lot of experience? Was I offensive to the breeder? Did I say the breeder was bad / unethical / not worth looking at? NO.
I stated that I personally did not know the breeder, but was curious as to why this particular kennel was recommended and not, let’s say, Dark Stone, or any other kennel in AB / BC. I was asking Jolayne about what experience she personally had with the breeder and not what she heard…
Is this one of the topics that are not allowed to be discussed on the forum that I was not aware of? Is there a list of things people can and cannot say / ask? Because I do not see how I was judgmental or did anything wrong. I do see that my words are being twisted, however, and a simple question is being turned into some sort of drama...
When I was looking for a dog, I was also recommended a lot of breeders, most of who turned out to be not worth a second look. People who recommended those “great breeders” had no personal experience with them, and the recommendation was based on knowledge acquired on forums or pure hearsay… Also, many good breeders were trashed, again – based on hearsay or, what I believe, I pure envy. So, this is why I would only recommend a person I had EXTENSIVE PERSONAL experience with. I would NEVER recommend a kennel based on several phone conversation – people tend to say whatever makes you happy, but very few actually deliver… BUT as I said earlier, I don’t expect everyone to have the same set of ethics as I do. And, unfortunately, people do recommend breeders on pure hearsay / several phone calls, etc, and then we wonder, why so many dogs are in shelters and puppy mills and those who breed sick dogs are going strong (please note I am NOT implying that Antiquity is a puppy mill or breeds sick dogs by any means. I hope this is clear and won’t be taken out of context Again!).
As I said earlier, if you ladies feel the need to know about my personal experiences for whatever reason, feel free to email me – I am more than happy to chat when I have free time. I don’t see a reason for me being questioned on the forum, or do we question every member that dared to post a simple question in a similar manner?
Respectfully,
Alla
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"I don’t see a reason for me being questioned on the forum, or do we question every member that dared to post a simple question in a similar manner? "
Alla, is this not the same thing you did to me?
If anyone started drama on this thread it was YOU.
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"the same thing you did to me?" <-- I "thing I did to you"? WOW! What exactly did I do to you? I must be missing something, because I asked a SIMPLE question, I was not questioning you on your experiences / years in the breed / relationships with your breeder, and so on.
I asked you based on what experience you are recommending this particular kennel! Seems like a very straightforward and RELEVANT question to the topic.
I see NOTHING offensive / judgmental about this. and I certainly do not see how I am starting a drama - a simple response of - "i make my recommendations based on a two year old conversations" would suffice...
You decided to respond by sending a personal INSULTING message to me...If you have a "personal" issue with me - the forum is not the place to bring it up. a forum is a place for people to have open discussions, express opinions, ask questions and support their arguments by facts...
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You asked a question to Jolayne and she nicely answered it. Lisa asked you a question, you write a lot, but no answer. I ask you the same question and again, you write a lot and no answer.
I don't write you an email, because with your set of ethics, who knows what part you will publish in public. Speaking about things being torn out of context ::) So I do it all in public. At least everybody can read exactly what I wrote and not just the part that you feel good to use ;)
Personally I have a lot of experience with the above mentioned kennel. I traveled half Europe with her to get her female. I know all the brothers and sisters of this dog in person and am still in touch with all the owners. I helped her find a male years ago for the female she had at that time. From this breeding is the male she has now. I think we can call this extensive personal experience. Not only with her, but also her dogs and the bloodlines. That's not just hearsay.
If you question a recommendation, without saying why, I and many with me would suggest you have a problem with the recommended kennel. Now you twist and turn with reasons why. What were your personal experiences with the breeders of your dogs?? How many Cane Corsos do you have anyway and how many breeders do you have extensive personal experiences with? I am just curious to know, because to me you sound like a newbie questioning a recommendation based on only hearsay...... I am in the breed and on forums for many many years, enough to pick those out. I don't question every member. But when it comes to recommendations and answers from newbies, yes, I ask my questions. And no answers to me mean that I am usually right.
I am here as a person and breeder. You question me as admin. As admin I can say you did violate the rules by posting a part of a personal message. People have been banned for that you know. What ever Jolayne sent to you in a personal message is personal. It is you who put it in public (out of context) on the forum. Don't lecture about ethics ;) It would just be nice if you answer Lisa's question and also mine.
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Jolayne nicely answered it? NO. She sent me a not so nice PM and only answered after you and Lisa had posts up… Just to clarify, isn’t part of the rules also “Treat everybody with respect. Bahsing and personal attacks are not allowed!” if so, a personal PM I received did feel like a personal attack…
You ask me “the same” question? Which question is that and HOW IS IT RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC EXACTLY?
Well, if you do not feel comfortable with emails (I guess you must have had some bad experiences with things being posted), then I guess don’t send me an email…I don’t really care one way or another…
So, Nancy, this is EXACTLY what I was asking for initially. What experience Jolayne had with Lisa. Seems like a simple enough question to me. So, since you have all that experience with Lisa, I am sure you should be recommending her. Sure does sound like she has exceptional dogs.
Now I am confused – does Jolayne has the same experience or am I not allowed to ask that?
Oh, BTW, I was ASKING A QUESTION, not QUESTIONING THE RECOMMENDATION – if you cannot see the difference, I cannot help you there…sorry.
Also, had I recommended a breeder, I would see why you would be entitled to ask me about my experiences and so on. However, all I asked was why Antiquity was recommended by a person who bought her dog from States. Again, seems like a simple enough question to me and pretty innocent…
And where did I question you as admin? Please do tell!
Oh, and I NEVER “twist and turn” because unlike so many, I do not have an ugly baggage of lies…
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Oh, and now I can also see why I am getting attacked - because Lisa is your good friend and somehow you decided I was judgmental towards her...
So, I am not allowed to ask ANYTHING about people who are your friends? Even if my questions are relevant to the topic and NOT offensive at all?
I thought an admin is supposed to be impartial?
Wow, talk about ethics...
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Again a lot of words and no answers.
You guess I had a bad experience......... out of context conversations being posted is not new to me. Since you guess, it means you did not know.......... it proofs me right that you are a newbie and don't have the experience you would like to pretend to have yet.
My extensive personal experience with Lisa, made me NOT post a recommendation ;) Read back...... I still did not do that.
Also, a face book page created on Sunday with 2 pictures on it and no information...
Sounds questioning to me ::)
Staceface, I know a few breeders in Alberta, as when I was researching to get my dog, I started locally. I ended up importing from NY, but can share my knowledge about CC breeders in Alberta. PM me if you are interested in a particular breeder, and I can let you know if I met them and what my impression was...Just FYI, some of the people I train my dog with had rotties before, wanted/ looked into getting a CC and ended up getting another rottie pup, as they did not want to ship and could not find a dog that would fit their requirements locally. But people have different preferences / tastes, and it does not mean you cannot find a pup that will suit your needs / expectations in AB / BC :)
This to me sounds like you have experiences with breeders in BC. You ask Jolayne about her experiences and she answered. I ask you about yours and still............ no answer.....
I replied, because I see an in my eyes newbie post, who claims to have experience. You have proven already that you are a newbie. Yet I still wait for answers about your experience in the breed and with breeders......
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Dearest Alla,
Since you seem to fail in answering the basic questions that people are asking, let me tell them what some of the answers are. Maybe then you will see why your initial post to Jolayne was judgmental.
Question 1:
Alla where you referred to your breeder?
Answer: Yes
Question 2:
Alla did this person purchase a dog from your breeder?
Answer: NO they purchased from different breeder
Question 3:
Alla did this person have any dealings with your breeder?
Answer : NO, they never even talked to that breeder before.
So here you preach to someone posting who they want to recommend and based on your ethics they should not have posted because to your knowledge they did not deal with them or because they purchased elsewhere Yet this is what you did... you purchased a dog from a breeder that was referred to you by someone who not only has never spoken to your breeder, but purchased their dog elsewhere. Are you not happy with your breeder or dog?
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Thanks for the answers Lisa. Those were not too difficult.
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OK, as clear as I can be:
1. Nancy, do you really want me to say that I know what pictures and posts were posted here about you? I decided to leave it out of this conversation because a – its not relevant and b – I have common sense and a sense of decency…
2. I did apologies for the FB comment…I knew she had a website, and as such, found a link to FB page amusing and that made me wonder if Jolayne really knows a breeder well enough to recommend.
3. “This to me sounds like you have experiences with breeders in BC.” Well, again, start by reading and STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! I clearly said “ I know a few breeders in Alberta …can share my knowledge about CC breeders in Alberta.” I never said anything about BC…
4. “You ask Jolayne about her experiences and she answered. “ I asked Jolayne why she recommended particular breeder. AGAIN, RELEVANT to the topic and OBVIOUS QUESTION since she states “I got my female from Colorado.”, yet, she recommends a BC breeder…made me CURIOUS, that’s all.
5. I NEVER claimed to have a lot of experience. PLEASE STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! In fact, I said in my earlier post: “Did I claim anywhere to have a lot of experience? Was I offensive to the breeder? Did I say the breeder was bad / unethical / not worth looking at? NO.”
So, since you are constantly twisting my words and asking me completely irrelevant questions, I think I will stop wasting my time…I see we will get no where and all you are looking for is a fight over an innocent question. I am sorry – I simply have no time for that.
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You guess.... yet you knew. Talk about a twist of words. Those pics were not me ;) But you could have guessed that too or....... i guess you knew. It's not me who brought it up. AGAIN it is YOU who brought it up. You keep bringing things up ::) Funny since you were not around yet at that time ;)
Lisa answered the questions now. So I finally have the answers. No need to waste my time on this either.
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Lisa, where Exactly are you getting this information from? I NEVER met you or talked to you, as such, what you are doing now is spreading rumors.
So, this is what all this is about? You are being manipulated by a “friend”…if only you knew what she talks about her friends behind their backs…
Well, somehow I am not surprised. I mean when a person creates fake FB account to spy on me – how pathetic is that? And it’s the same person who was sending me emails while crying on the phone saying how I was her closest friend (note in the city she lived her whole life!!!!) and bagging me not to tell people how she trashed them…wow, pitty is the ONLY feeling I have for her… Oh, wait, that’s the same person who trashes every Canadian CC club and pretty much any breeder…oh, wow, that’s impressive source of information…LMFAO!
“Yet this is what you did... you purchased a dog from a breeder that was referred to you by someone who not only has never spoken to your breeder, but purchased their dog elsewhere. Are you not happy with your breeder or dog? “
I was referred to a LINE of dogs, not a particular breeder. I looked into those lines in more detail and loved them. Then, I called EVERY breeder I could find who had those lines…
If you really must know, I spent hours and hours and hours on the phone and Skype talking to my breeder before I committed. I was selecting from 4 completely different breeders, and I made sure to communicate that to each one of them. By the time I was committing, I felt much more comfortable with my breeder. Once I got the dog, we became good friends and I could Not have been happier with my breeder! Is that Clear enough? I believe I made a BEST EDUCATED DECISION based on research first of all!
Note that later, breeders who were recommended to me were vigorously trashed by the same person. Also, other breeders, including Jolayne’s breeder were trashed to me… Ask this person’s permission to post those emails, while we are at it! I do have her “recommendations”…
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Oh, Nancy, ask you friend who was giving me all the recommendations about the pictures...this is how information or, shall we say, rumors travel...
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After several complains about posting a part of a PM and requests to ban, we decided to ban Alla from this forum for violating privacy. Please do not reply anymore to her posts, as from this moment, she can no longer defend herself.
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Hi Stace, I am not going to get caught up in the drama that unfolded here. Just to let you know, the only breeder that I know of in B.C. that is worth contacting is Lisa from Antiquity. From what I understand she has been involved with the Corso for many years. She is very willing to talk about the Corso and any questions you may have about the breed. Lisa was very happy to oblige when I asked if I could come and meet her and her dogs. I plan on doing this within a few weeks.